Why I Don’t Like Stated Income Loans

Let me start by saying, I prefer a “No Income” over a “Stated Income” loan.  If you Riskybusiness_2 have to “state” an income, you’re potentially setting yourself up for committing fraud.  A “no income” verified loan (where your income is blank on the loan application) does come with a slightly higher rate than a stated income loan, however, there are no questions about what is questionable…your income!

Recently, a home buyer contacted me for a second opinion on their good faith estimate.  They had just made an offer that was accepted on a home.  After reviewing his information, he revealed that the loan was stated income.   I did not have all of their documentation needed for self employed borrowers (2 years complete tax returns, for starters) since I was just looking at closing costs and the rate.   So I asked why they were going stated income.   Here is his actual response:

“Let’s just say it’s income we’re hoping to achieve, but higher than what is on our tax return.”

Does that sound a wee bit concerning to you?   For one, they are stating income they don’t make in order to qualify for a mortgage.  When  you’re self employed your income can vary quite easily.   What happens if they don’t make the income they “hope to achieve” and they cannot swing their new mortgage payment?   

I asked if his Loan Originator was going to have him sign a 4506 or 4506T.  These forms are sent to the IRS so the lender (and what ever company your loan is sold to) can verify the income you are stating on the loan application by accessing your tax transcripts directly from the IRS.

“I did ask [our LO] about that, and she said it’s basically a formality – that they don’t actually pull the tax return…it’s just put [the 4506 form] in the file.”

Often times, the 4506 may stay “in the file”.  However, if the borrower defaults on the loan, you can bet the first thing the lender will do is to grab the 4506 to compare what was stated on the loan application to the actual income reported to the IRS.   

 

“Since I certainly don’t plan on defaulting, I’m going trust [the LO] and the bank on this one. She’s got an interest in this as well!”

The LO certainly does have an interest in the loan.   She’s going to get paid and keep her real estate agent happy.   Stated income and no-income verifiers are very easy loans to do as compared to doing a full document loan for a self employed borrower where you have to review and average incomes for the past two years.   Yikes…the LO might actually have to pull out their calculator and do some hard math and go through someone’s tax returns.  Oh dear!

Let’s assume worse case scenario for this borrower who is all ready admittedly overstating income at what he hopes to achieve…what he suffers a loss with his business and and is not able to keep up with his mortgage?  As a self employed person,  your income and costs are not secure or stable.   This could quite easily happen to the best of people.  Now you’re in a mortgage that you could not afford to begin with because you had to over state lie about your income.   Should your mortgage go into default, will the LO who put you into this loan stand by you?  I doubt it.  Plus, she’ll probably state something like “I had no idea they didn’t make that income.”   She won’t go down holding the borrower’s hand in this case, far from it.

If you are considering a mortgage where you “state” your income on the loan application, you should know:

  • Stated income loans are not created to exaggerate your income so you can qualify for a mortgage.   
  • Your stated income should compare to what you have reported on your gross income tax returns.
  • Consider a “No Income Verified” loan vs. a “Stated Income”.  The difference to rate, with good credit, is often not that significant.   With no income stated, there are no figures to lie about.   You’re qualifying on credit and down payment alone.   
  • Don’t lose sight on whether or not you can actually afford the mortgage payment.    Qualifying for a mortgage does not mean that you should have the mortgage if you cannot make the payments.

Lying about your income, or anything on the loan application, is mortgage fraud.  There are many other types of documentation available so that borrowers do not need to go this route (unless it makes sense–ie they actually have the income).

Still thinking about stated income?  Watch this video from CBS.   

My Biggest Fear

FearNext to snakes, spiders, deep water and falling down stairs (okay…I have a few phobias!)…and actually this is no laughing matter.   There is so much hype in the media right now about the subprime industry and home owners in trouble with 80/20 loans and interest only ARMs, etc.    Many people are contacting me to confirm they’re okay or to see if the need to refinance.   So far, none of them need to refi (but I’m glad they’re checking with me).  Either they’re planning on selling or their ARMs won’t be adjusting for a couple more years and they’re actually quite happy with payments once they step away from the fear factor.   These home owners with ARMs and/or 80/20 financing are prime targets for unsavory loan originators to scare them into a refinance (there are even ads on TV soliciting home owners to do so) when they don’t need to.   Costing them at least a couple thousand dollars in their equity and rewarding some loser with a commission they shouldn’t have.   

How do they do this?  For starters, the local title companies can provide list of home owners if they have financing through certain lenders (like New Century, for example), or if they financed within a certain time period with an ARM.   The lender may call you (ignoring if you’re on the DNC) or send you a letter stressing their "sincere concern" over your current mortgage scenario.   Please don’t buy into it.   

  1. Contact your Mortgage Planner if you have any concerns with your current mortgage.   Now may be a good time for a credit and mortgage review–you may not need to refinance (everyone’s situations vary).
  2. Get a second opinion if you feel you need one.   Ask a friend, co-worker or family member for a referral.   Most professional Mortgage Planners are happy to discuss your situation without running your credit.  (If your Mortgage Planner all ready ran your credit, you can provide your scores to the person you’re getting the second opinion from). 
  3. Do not do business with lenders who have to "cold call" for business.  Rely on either your past Mortgage Planner or get a referral

Bottom line, don’t panic.  The worst decisions are made when someone is being emotional and scared.   Lenders who are predatory prey on the emotions of scared people.    This type of loan originator is ultra smooth…could probably out-sell me (and I’m sure has) on my best day.  (I do not view my career as "sales").  Take a deep breath and do some homework.  Make the hoopla over subprime loans into a personal opportunity to review your credit and get your finances in order.   It will save you in the long run.   

With all this said, some people are in trouble…they are not the majority and regardless, it is unfortunate.  If you are in financial troubles or if you feel you may be near it, please do contact your Mortgage Professional (or get a referral) right away. 

Will someone please change the channel?

Mpj031638400001I’m watching CNN this morning while I’m getting ready to head into the office (it snowed a few flakes this morning, so being the chicken I am, I’m taking my time before I venture onto the roads)…when I see three commercials within 10 minutes that I found somewhat disturbing.

First commercial:  Ditech…cash out refinance your home with a fixed rate up to 125% of the value!  Well, thank God it’s not an interest only negative amortized ARM!   In light of the increased foreclosures and troubles with subprime lending, I cannot believe I just saw this commercial.   What happens to the borrower who has overextended their home equity and then they lose their job or they need to sale?  Guess what, they can’t.   There’s not ANY equity to pay for closing costs.   Welcome to Foreclosure City.

Next:  Countrywide…offering a no cost loan.  No origination fee, no credit or appraisal fee and no third party (title, escrow, etc.) fees.   This isn’t so upsetting to me (especially after following the Ditech ad).  Anyone can provide a no-cost mortgage.    What the commercial does not tell you is that no cost mortgages do cost a borrower in the monthly mortgage payment by a higher interest rate.  Nothing is free.  Typically, 1% of your loan amount equals 0.25% to interest rate.   If your closing costs amount to $2000 and your loan amount is $200,000, you can increase your rate by 0.25% and have "no closing costs" from any loan originator.  Please always compare good faith estimates by different lenders.   Their commercial was the least offensive–they just happened to be sandwiched between two commercials that got my goat! 

Last:  Freecreditreport.com.   You know the commercial…the friendly redhead young man challenges you to guess his credit score and encourages you to find yours.   This is great advice.   Where this one slips up for me is that it’s URL sounds just like www.annualcreditreport.com in fact, I think freecreditreport.com is a better marketing name than the one created by the big three credit bureaus by order of our government.    Should you not read the disclaimer on freecreditreport.com’s site, you might believe this is the web site the Fed had created for consumers.   However, this is Experian’s site and should you obtain your "free" report, you’ll be signing up for a credit watch service at $12.95 per month.    Not so free after all, is it? 

I just had to vent a bit.  It’s no wonder people get confused about their mortgages and finances with all of the misleading and deceptive advertisements on television, the internet, and coming to our mail boxes at home.   

Bottom line:  Do your research.   Ask questions.  Be responsible.

Recently at Rain City Guide…

I have been meaning to highlight post over at Rain City Guide on a more regular basis…I’m slipping!   Here are a few I thought you might benefit from reading (or just click on over and check them all out).

Earlier this month, Jillayne tackled why you should not shop interest rates by APR.  This is a must read if you are a "rate shopper".

There have been a couple post forecasting the future of our local real estate marketing, including this one from Ardell and Jon featured two posts that inspired reactions from the "Bubble Bloggers".

If you’re considering buying home at a new construction site, then Ardell’s post is a good read for you regarding dealing with site agents and when lots are released.

Yours truly added two post to RCG dealing with zero down buyers and the future for subprime borrowers.

Enjoy!

Prepayment Penalties: Foul or Fair?

Mpj040179500001A prepayment penalty is a fine charged to a borrower if they payoff their mortgage before a certain time period (typically 2-3 years).   The fine is commonly 6 months interest (just shy of six months mortgage payments less your monthly taxes and insurance) and may vary.  [Read more…]